29th May 2013
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One of Michael Cera’s first roles was in a Pillsbury commercial in 1998 [x].
“I auditioned for The Sixth Sense, which I didn’t know was about seeing dead people. They didn’t mention that in the breakdown. After seeing the movie, and remembering the scene they had me read… It was the scene with the penny. Bruce Willis is saying, “I can’t be your doctor anymore,” and Haley Joel Osment starts crying and slides the penny over to him. It’s a very emotional scene. And I did not do it that way. I did it upbeat. I said “Some magic’s real” very optimistically.”-Michael Cera
21st May 2013
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So just to clarify, it’s racist to be up in arms about the potential casting of a black Human Torch in the upcoming Fantastic 4 reboot, but it’s also racist that they recasted Khan as a white British guy?
You guys realize that this reaction to Cumberbatch’s Khan sort of gives credibility to the…
It’s entirely way too early to be seeing this shit in my Thor tag, but here we go
It is, in fact, racist to take a role that is mean to be a PoC and cast it as a white man because you are erasing yet another character of colour and the only reason to do that is because you don’t want too many coloured people clogging up your movie. I guess JJ Abrams had his quota of not white people filled already. He cares more about his fucking lens flares than he does actually writing good Star Trek or even understanding or giving a single shit about the source material. We already have enough pasty white British villains, why did Khan have to be another one? The answer is not because Cumberbatch is more talented any other PoC actor out there.
Khan’s race IS IMPORTANT because the WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF HIS CHARACTER is that race doesn’t matter when it comes to genetics and how superior you are as a human being. He’s the perfect human created through intense eugenics experiments and he’s not white. How do you not grasp how important that message was when Space Seed aired in the 60s? And what’s really fucking depressing is that message is still important today, when you have actual law makers claiming Latino people are less intelligent than white people, that the colour of their skin makes them inherently inferior to white people.
And don’t give me the altered timeline bullshit. The timeline splits at the point of Kirk’s birth. Khan’s creation happened 300 years prior. He would have been unaffected by the split. There is absolutely NO REASON he could not have been portrayed by an Indian actor beyond the fact that that would have meant not having another pasty ass white villain, and heaven forbid we take away an opportunity for a white man.
Heimdall’s skin colour isn’t important. He’s a fucking Norse god, and before you tell me Vikings were all pasty white people, they actually intermingled with a lot of the cultures and local populations they encountered in their raiding/conquering, including western Asia. Never mind the fact that there were a lot more black people in Europe than your school books would have you believe. The Roman empire along with the Moorish incursions into Europe spread people of colour all over the place. People of colour even exist in Marvel’s Asgard, if you really want to get pedantic. There’s no reason Johnny Storm can’t be a black man.
Sorry, but I agree with anandalusinaldog here. It really, erm, gets to me, when people do not get that there is a place for a reverse racism. If you want to get deeper into this, then can I point out why Nick Fury in the movie is black, while in cannon comic books he’s white? It didn’t bother me way too much, I just thought ‘hey, well, it’s their choice’. I didn’t go all ‘this is racism’, so why would anyone be like when it comes to Khan? I just think and believe (or I want to believe) that not all these big movie directors are racist pricks, you know.
Reverse racism doesn’t exist, especially in the sense that you are using it in that white people are being treated unfairly for being white in the US and/or western civilization. White people are not systematically discriminated against the way people of colour are in the US.
And if you actually knew your comic sources, you’d know that the MCU draws a lot of its comic sources from the Ultimates universe in Marvel, where, wait for it… Nick Fury’s always been black!
You don’t have to be an active member of the KKK to do things that are racist or to support racist thought and practices, even while being an otherwise nice person. Casting Cumberbatch as a character who is a native Indian man named Khan Noonien Singh was a racist decision fueled by the idea that an Indian actor to play said native Indian man would have been an inferior casting decision to choosing a white man to play a native Indian man.
My problem with it was that JJ Abrams has hardly ANY non-pasty folks in his films. We’ve got — wait for it — Uhura. And yes good because Zoe Saldana is awesome. She is also one of the TWO female roles, but don’t think that’s a good thing, because in this film especially they are defined solely by their relationship to men. (But that’s another story and shall be ranted about at another time.) Aside from that, there were relatively few non-pasty folk: the captain of the ship pock was transferred to, Mickey Smith and his family, the pilot who takes Chekov’s chair.
But who else? We’ve got a Russian man and a Japanese man. Once upon a time, in the sixties, this was VERY IMPORTANT. Just as important as having an African woman on deck. These people were incredibly marginalized and demonized at the time. And now? It’s really not a big deal that these people have prominent roles. It doesn’t mean anything to today’s culture. In the past, they were proof that we had moved beyond the racist ideas of the time.
If you wanted characters that played that same role now as they had back then, you would have Mexican and Middle Eastern and Pakistani and North African characters at the helm. People who the majority of pasty-folk who watch this film will feel slightly edgy about, because these people are often villainized by the media right now.
(And if I remember right, Uhura was never African American, she was always straight-up African. Sulu was proud of his Japanese heritage, and Chekov had his accent. They had remnants of their culture embedded in their character. In this iteration of films, they have nothing to keep them who they are, besides Chekov’s adorable accent, which is used more for humor than to set him apart as Russian. They are culture-washed completely and could be any race or background, unlike in the original series.)
Looking at the rest of the cast, I’m almost glad they didn’t cast Kahn as an Indian, because it would demonize the one character of non-pasty origin. Especially after they made the Romulans in the first movie look Middle Eastern (*KICKS EVERYTHING*). The last thing I want is two Star Trek movies portraying current blacklisted cultural and biological backgrounds being villainized in the future, as well. Because that’s not what Star Trek is about.
And the thing we’re also forgetting? Kahn was never Indian. He has an Indian name, but he was originally played by Ricardo Montalban, who was Mexican. I’m not saying that’s okay either, just pointing it out.
>”Reverse racism doesn’t exist, especially in the sense that you are using it in that white people are being treated unfairly for being white in the US and/or western civilization.”
Okay, but I just read several paragraphs wherein white people are referred to as “pasty.” I hate to break it to everyone, but that’s racist. Calling anyone a derogatory name because of their skin color is racist. Assuming that, because I’m white, I somehow object to people of color in major motion pictures, is fucking racist. When I say there’s no such thing as reverse racism what i mean is that anyone can be racist against anyone, and yes, that means black people can be racist against white people. Racism by definition is the act of discriminating against someone because of their race, and anyone can be discriminated against.
I also find it absolutely hilarious that Khan, being an Indian man, was played by Ricardo Montalban, a Mexican man. Do you not see how that’s racist? Essentially what that means is whoever casted Montalban was saying, “Eh, whatever, all non-white people look the same to me.” If casting a white man as an Indian man is racist, then so is casting a Mexican man as an Indian man. And yet, I fully expect people to make excuses, because ultimately it’s okay as long as it’s not a white person, isn’t it? That’s racist. I’m not saying white people haven’t fucked up a lot through history and I’m definitely not saying Hollywood is as culturally diverse as it needs to be (not to mention the fact that women over 35 can’t get a role, but men in there 50s and 60s are still considered action stars) but this vitriolic hatred that tumblr users have for white people is every bit as racist as any other racism.
People of colour cannot be racist towards white people in America because people of colour are not systematically oppressing and discriminating against white people. They do not hold the power in our society. White people do. People can be prejudiced against anyone of a certain skin colour, be they blacks who hate whites, whites who hate Asians, Asians who hate Latinos, whatever. But as there is no system wide endemic of oppression towards white people, there is no racism they experience. Reverse racism does not exist. It is whiny white people being called to realize their privilege and how they take it for granted that bogus things like reverse racism get thrown around.
I can call Benedict Cumberbatch the pastiest thing since Elmer’s glue because it’s true. He’s a mega white, mega privileged British man. And before you accuse me of being racist, I am so white I can probably glow in the dark in the right conditions. I also am aware that my skin colour provides me opportunities that PoC may never receive and that my skin colour allows me leeway in our society not offered to PoC and that on top of dealing with sexist bullshit, I at least don’t have to deal with racist AND sexist stereotype bullshit like some of my friends do.
This has nothing to do with hating white people and entirely to do with being angry at society for creating inequalities to begin with and all of the progress that started 60 years ago essentially going nowhere and all of that bullshit being around still today, but in much more subtle, insidious ways. It’s frustration with white people getting angry for being called on their privilege and for refusing to even the playing field because they don’t want to lose that privilege.
I’ve already addressed the problems with casting Montalban as Khan originally, but again, viewed in the context of when it happened, it was still a huge, progressive step in the right direction. Casting a white man as Khan is not just a step back, it’s being sent all the way back to the starting point.
And again, MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE CHARACTER.
I like Benedict Cumberbatch. He is a very talented actor, but he never should have been cast as Khan.
I can’t believe I’m resorting to this, but according to Merriam-Webster:
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
So you’re telling me that it’s impossible for people of color to hold the belief that a white person’s whiteness is their primary determinant of human traits? Or, following the most common layman definition of racism, that people of color have never discriminated (itself meaning to show prejudice through one’s actions) against white people? You’re telling me that say, for instance, a person of any (non-white) race never looked at a stereotypically dressed white person and though I bet they live in a trailer or I bet they hate black people or I bet insert joke about rednecks inbreading? You’re telling me nobody who isn’t white has never made a joke about the white girls on Teen Mom/16 and Pregnant?
If you honestly believe that white people are the only race that can’t be discriminated against then I think you’re either willfully ignoring the actual definition of racism/prejudice/discrimination or are substituting your own definition borne of white guilt and well-meaning political correctness.
I also completely disagree with your assumption that civil rights progress is somehow worse now then it was 60 years ago. It may in fact be racist to cite this fact, who knows, but does it mean nothing that we have a black president? Or how about the fact that Latino Americans have made their presence in America known in a big way through both politics and popular culture?
The other thing that hasn’t been brought up so far is Khan’s character in the context of the movie. Before the big reveal, he’s under an assumed name (John Harrison I think?). I don’t know much about Star Trek beyond the fact that my dad watched it all the time when I was a kid and it bored me to tears, but I was aware that Khan was the bad guy in the second movie, so when Cumberbatch lets his identity be known, me, and several others in the audience, were like oh shit, it’s the guy! If an Indian actor had been casted in the role, that twist sorta goes out the window because, sorry to say and I’m sure you’ll agree with me here, an Indian actor cast as a main character in mainstream Hollywood is pretty rare.
Which reminds me, isn’t the idea of Khan sort of racist to begin with? A vaguely foreign guy with non-white skin is like a warmongering psychopath. Maybe I’m offbase there though.
Ultimately I just wanna say that the whole reason I posted in the first place was because I really enjoyed Cumberbatch’s performance and I think people are a little too quick to jump to conclusions when it comes to racism. I sincerely do not believe that anyone had any intentions of denying an Indian actor the role of Khan and I fully believe that Cumberbatch was casted because 1. He’s a great actor and 2. Sherlock/Doctor Who and BBC are hot right now.
PS believe me when I say that these rebuttals are not coming from a place of hostility and I appreciate that everybody seems to be willing to have an open dialog about this and not simply call each other names. These are just my opinions, but again, I’m a white guy so I call it as I see it, and while I do understand that Hollywood could use more actors of different nationalities, I think it’s unfair to target a movie that’s otherwise got an array of characters from other cultures than white America.
I do appreciate that you’re trying to respond in a logical way, but these are arguments that POC have had to deal with over and over again. Please do read the links I’ve included.
Here’s a quick summary, if you don’t:
- The dictionary has been written by white, rich men.
- It is not unbiased or neutral.
- Many definitions have a political agenda.
- White is consistently pushed as the norm, which has serious psychological ramifications for most POC. Whitewashing only continues this.
- And more!
To respond to one thing: No. Cumberbatch was picked at the expense of an Indian actor. In fact, I don’t even know if the casting called for an Indian actor—they often don’t—and even if it did, then it was also obviously allowing white actors in, which is just opportunity for whitewashing in the first place.
I’m a POC and I am personally affected by this shit in a way you aren’t. Whenever another character is whitewashed for no reason, I feel like there’s no audience for anyone but white characters because Hollywood refuses to allow there to BE an audience. They then use that as a reason to justify more white casts. Whenever a white person tells me “hey, but they’re not all white!!!”, they don’t seem to understand that the majority of media IS completely. White. When plenty of white people seem to be just as mad about ONE character getting turned into a POC (because they’re so used to being the majority that even one character getting taken away is the end of the world. then, of course, they use that to rub it in POC’s faces that omg see it happens to them too), why should I have to be okay with the fucking scraps?
Thanks for the links, for one thing I can sure as shit say I’ve learned some things in the course of these reblogs. It never occurred to me that the guys running the dictionaries might have political agendas, so that was edifying.
While I can’t argue that rich white people aren’t running the world, I still have a problem with the way the word ‘racism’ seems to be tailored towards validating an argument.
Take for example this link from one of the blogs you sent me:
>Discrimination takes place the moment a person acts on prejudice.
>Racism, however, describes patterns of discrimination that are institutionalized as “normal” throughout an entire culture.
The author seems to be saying that everybody has prejudices, and therefore everyone has the capacity to discriminate. But then they lose me by saying that racism is essentially when a group of people discriminate habitually. Once again, this begs the question: Is it impossible for people of color to discriminate as a group? My understanding is that the author means that, because white people being in charge of everything important is the norm, then it’s impossible for people of color to be presented with the chance to discriminate, or in other words that discriminating against white people is impossible because it’s not the norm. This is a faulty definition in my opinion because if we’re agreeing on the fact that everyone has prejudices, then in fact everyone has the capacity to be racist. I agree that it’s not as likely, as easy, and certainly not the norm for people of color to be in a position of power wherein they could discriminate against white people, but that certainly doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
Here’s the thing, the idea that white people are the only people who can’t be discriminated against is inherently racist. This idea implies that there is somehow a correlation between a person’s skin color and their brain; ie: people of color are somehow missing the part of their brain that allows them to act on their prejudices. This in turn implies that not all races are equal and it’s absurd to think that the color of someone’s skin in any way dictates their brain functions. The reason I have a problem with the definition presented above is that it’s based in sociology and not in anthropology. Biologically, we’re all the same, so why then would it be possible for one group of people to think a certain way and another group of people not to? What this comes down to is the whole nature vs. nurture thing. Basically, you’re saying that the way society works, with white people having unfair advantages, makes it impossible for non-white people to discriminate. I won’t try to argue that, because yeah, the way we as a society function it’s not as common for whites to be discriminated against. But on a mental level, without external influences from one’s environment, we’re all equal and thus are all equally able to be racist.
Here’s a textbook example of the nature vs. nurture debate: if you take the test scores from a school predominantly populated by a single minority group and those test scores are unanimously below average, you’re first thought (hopefully) is that those test scores are the effect of that school lacking resources and better opportunities for its students. You (hopefully) wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that the minority group is just inherently stupid. No, because we all have the same capacity to learn, regardless of race. Some groups are offered better opportunities, and let’s face it, those people are white. Traditionally white people have had all kinds of advantages not afforded to people of color, but that doesn’t mean that people of color are somehow unable to succeed with the right opportunities just because there’s no precedent for it. So why then should the capacity to learn not be viewed in the same way as our capacity to be racist?
The biggest flaw in my arguments of course is that I’m white. I won’t try to claim that my Native American ancestry somehow clues me in on what it’s like to be a minority like I’ve seen other white kids do, that’s some pretty hardcore racism right there imo. The fact is I’m as pale as vampire, I look white so I’ll never know what it feels like to be marginalized and I’d never claim to have any idea what that’s like. I mean, I’ll never have that longing to see a white guy on the big screen that I can be proud of or idolize because he (or she) “made it” in a world that was holding he (or she) back from stardom because of their skin color. But, I do take issue with the idea that I’m somehow able to entertain and then act on racist thoughts while other people aren’t, because basically, what all this is saying is that only white people can be ignorant assholes.